Errors of Awaken the Dawn/Rise Up The Call - part 2
READING TIME: 25 MINUTES
The following are the notes to the discussion found at this link (https://www.facebook.com/tammy.cheetham.77/videos/307018853131163/?id=100014819433180) for anyone who would like to study the subject more in depth.
As we stated in the last discussion, we needed to discuss The Call/Rise Up women’s event separately from the rest of the Awaken the Dawn event even though they were both under the same umbrella since there was so much information. Now, we will hear some of the same false teaching from both so I may reference the first discussion some today just to let the listener know. Also, in watching most of the two sessions on Oct. 9 there were many people making decrees and declarations onstage and their names were never given and these were not recognizable members of either the prophetic or NAR groups. So, if I just say someone said, that is why. And, just to mention also, the Call movement is headed by Lou Engle. And, as we said last time, he is quite ecumenical and also a major promoter of Dominion Theology.
I wanted to read the information from the website for the event first of all (http://www.thecall.com/riseup/) :
“Hope is rising in America. We can and will turn back to God. (Well, as I mentioned last discussion this group of people, and others, are trying to speak a revival into existence; to actually impose revival on people and on the nation, but a great end time revival is not prophesied. There are many scriptures about perilous times, evil men waxing worse and worse).
Then, "This may be the most decisive moment in the history of America as a last stand against unrighteousness. Can a nation be saved in a day? Yes, when women pray! In the 1960s-70s, a million mothers cried out to God for their lost children, and mass salvation broke out. Once again, women must birth a sweeping new Jesus Movement, rising up in the nation as great evangelists and spiritual mothers to turn us back to God." (Well, a lot could be said at this point and we just don’t have time to unpack it all, but I want to focus on the ‘can a nation be saved in a day’ question. Just the other day I read an article in which the question was asked whether a city could be saved in a day. The article (http://elijahlist.com/words/display_word.html?ID=19079) was by Todd Bentley and he referenced Revelation 11:15 which says, "The kingdoms of this world HAVE become the Kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!" And, then Todd Bentley said, “We must have Faith that whole cities and nations can be saved in a day. The Kingdoms of this world are His.” Well, those in the NAR emphasizing “the kingdoms of this world HAVE become…” and the “Kingdoms of this world ARE His” as if these verses apply now rather than to Christ’s second coming have a different view of end time events to say the least. There is a lot of talk about saving and transforming nations by those in the NAR such as Lou Engle and Todd Bentley, but if this “Christianizing” of nations will be accomplished before Christ returns, how come Rev. 19:15 says, “And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God”? If they’ve become “Christianized” why would Jesus smite them? So, we see this false tenet of Dominion Theology falls flat in the face of scripture).
Continuing with the website for Rise Up, it says - In 1997, Men Stood in the Gap. In 2017, Women Rise Up. In 1997, a million men fought for their families on the National Mall during Promise Keepers' massive Stand in the Gap event. On the 20th Anniversary of that gathering, mothers from across America will join together to proclaim hope and healing for our nation. On October 9, 2017 women will bend heaven's ear with a sacrifice of love, high praise and prevailing prayer. (Well, Promise Keepers, as we learned in the last discussion was started by a Catholic, so the entire movement was ecumenical from the start. And, with someone as ecumenical as Lou Engle at the helm of The Call events, a true believer will have nothing to do with these gatherings).
Then we read: “We invite mothers and daughters of America, present and future, to rise together — Esthers and Deborahs; devout women of every age, race and denomination; single women, mothers of children, spiritual mothers. Will you give voice both to the pain and hope of our deeply divided nation? Can you release fresh intercession and the Word of Life for a lost generation?” (Well, the Word of Life for any generation has always been and will continue to be the gospel of salvation. Whether this nation is divided or not, the gospel needs to go forth. Uniting our nation should not be the focus for any true believer, but rather seeing souls saved).
Continuing, “The fabric of the virtuous woman in America is comprised of many colors and strands: Protestant and Catholic, Evangelical and Pentecostal; Asian, Hispanic, Anglo, African and Native; Democrat, Republican and Independent. It is time to make your presence known, your voice heard—united in love and justice in Christ. (People have slowly been conditioned for several decades now to accept Catholicism as Christian so whenever someone just slips in the phrase “Protestant and Catholic” no one bats an eye. And, it just becomes more and more obvious that Lou Engle is completely ecumenical and that this is a major focus of his ministry. We will just say straight out that Catholicism is a false, pagan, religious system based on the traditions of men; the NAR and WOF movements preach another Jesus and another gospel. Again, true believers will remain separate from any such gatherings as The Call, Rise Up).
Just a bit more from the website’s promotion of this event: “This is more than an invitation, it is a summons, a divine subpoena to bring the unique witness and moral authority of Eve to bear on the clamor and deceptions at the governmental heart of our nation. Some moments come and go, while others shape history and must not be missed. You can take your daughter to work, or you can teach her how to save a nation in a day. Could hundreds of thousands of women pray and proclaim that America shall be saved, shall choose life, and shall see her children walking with God? On October 9, 2017, can a nation be saved in a day? Our answer: Yes, when the women Rise Up. (Well, I have to admit to being totally confused about this reference to Eve’s moral authority since she was deceived. Then we see another reference to saving a nation in a day. And, then the obvious WOF talk with the idea that people could actually proclaim America shall be saved, and so forth. We know that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God, not by proclamation).
Now, I would like to discuss some short promotional videos made by some of the women attending and speaking at the event (http://www.thecall.com/riseup/) -
The first one is by Cindy Jacobs, who has a ministry called Generals International, and is one of the leaders in the NAR: She said,“I believe the collective cry of a million mothers around the world is going to birth a movement that is greater than anything we have ever seen. Beginning on October 9, we will rise up.”
(Well, Cindy Jacobs is a false prophet. She should have been completed discredited by these two false prophecies she gave in the late 90’s): In a women's conference in California in 1996 called "Women of the Word" she prophesied that the divorce rate for Christians would be cut in half within one year. (http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/narfalseprophecies.html) But, according to divorce reform. org the divorce rate did not decline at all from 1996 to 1997.
Jacobs also gave the following prophecy on Oct. 30, 1998: “I will use Zimbabwe like a jewel; she will help feed the world with beautiful produce. God will break the curse that came through civil war . . . the curse will be broken.” (https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/11/03/cindy-jacobs-two-truly-false-prophecies-for-zimbabwe-and-africa/) However, the following is from an article dated August 6, 2007: “Official inflation is given at 4,500 percent, the highest in the world, though independent estimates put it closer to 9,000 percent.” Additionally, the unemployment rate had crested beyond 80%! (http://www.zimbabwesituation.com/old/aug7_2007.html) (So, the situation was actually the opposite of what she predicted! And, she has made many other false prophecies which we don’t have time to discuss. But, what it really comes down to is we need to stop giving these false prophets second chances. You know, some of the same people who predicted all kinds of things concerning the blood moons in 2015 were just recently predicting all kinds of things concerning the eclipse in August and the same for September 23. People need to stop buying the books and watching the videos and these charlatans will go out of business).
The next one is Alveda King who is an activist and author, along with being a niece of Martin Luther King, Jr. She promotes non-violent conflict resolution as evidenced in an article entitled, “Are You Ready to Slay the Skin-Color Dragon?” One of her six points in this article was: “Prayerfully apply non-violent direct action, such as prayer vigils, marches, boycotts, mass demonstrations, picketing, sit-ins etc., to help persuade or compel an adversary to work toward dispute-resolution.” (http://elijahlist.com/words/display_word.html?ID=18574)
She stated the following in her video: “One Sunday morning, God woke me up, the spirit of the living God, and said read the book of Esther…There was a line that captured me and it basically says ‘don’t think if you ignore this call that God won’t raise up someone else.’ It is time for women and girls to wake up, not be sleeping, at this time. Things are so critical. We have to overcome evil with good. Yes, evil is out there. But, if we say let somebody else do it, we really would be where Esther would have been if she had looked the other way. You have to do something for such a time as this.” (Well, as we have mentioned many times before, the only thing we have been commissioned to do is preach the gospel and make disciples. But, these dominionists have this grandiose idea that they will change the culture here and now by engaging in prayer vigils, marches, and so forth, which is completely impossible because the root of all the problems is sin and man has no solution for that in and of himself).
And, the last promotional video I want to mention was made by Stacey Campbell. She said: “I want to call women from all over the world to show up on Oct. 9 because abortion is not an American issue. It is an international issue for mothers all over the world and if you care about the next generation, come pray with us and see that God ends this scourge in our lifetime.” (Well, we did a discussion about Stacey Campbell and I will include the link in the notes on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/tammy.cheetham.77/videos/259130541253328/). She “prophesied” to Pope Francis he would become pope when he was still a cardinal. Additionally, she traveled with several other NAR leaders to visit the Vatican in June of 2016).
Now, we want to discuss the actual sessions at this event, beginning with the morning one (https://www.facebook.com/thecall/videos/10155915419533578/?q=the%20call%20rise%20up). And, just to note, there were no reports I could find of how many people actually attended this event, but the video of the morning session had 672,000 views so many were influenced by it.
About 20 minutes into this gathering a group of Native American women were on stage. A couple of them made declarations about being Esthers and Deborahs; one said let the birthing begin; one said thank you to the Lord for the breaker anointing; one said God has proclaimed in the stars you are wonder women; one prayed that the sons and daughters would be healed and walk in forgiveness.
Then, Cindy Jacobs had the women gather close to her and began speaking about what this day means for Native Americans, since it was Columbus Day. She kneeled down before them and said, “Forgive us for ignoring your pain…We’re so sorry, we’re so sorry. Can we let the healing begin? Can you forgive? We’re sorry for not caring to know what happened in history and for rewriting history.” Two of the women kneeled down and held hands and hugged Cindy Jacobs. Another woman took the mike and say, “We release this healing over the land. A spirit of repentance come upon the land.” Another lady spoke and said, “We forgive you!...Lord let us heal and become one. You said we can run through a troop and jump over a wall. We are jumping over the walls between races, between denominations, between beliefs of religions, Lord I ask You to eradicate the religious spirit from North America, break down the walls of division.
Then a few minutes later Lou Engle mentioned all those affected by the hurricanes. He said, “Can we stand in the rain all day today while they’re suffering? We are identificational intercessors today. We can stand with power because we refuse to be moved by the storms.”
(Sister Tammy’s comments about identificational repentance: The Bible is clear that men must repent for their own sins. "Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." We must notice that 'every one' must repent for his own sins. We know even from the Old Testament because a lot of these fighting for unity, dominionists refer back to the Old Testament to fit their theology and the Word is the same all the way through.
"Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin." The father cannot repent for the sins of the son. Forgiveness is always a personal action, commanded by God, necessary for right fellowship and we must repent of our own sins (Matt 6:14; Luke 6:37; 2 Cor.2:7). It's always between individual people not cities or nations.
With "Identificational Repentance" the proponents must hearken back to the Old Testament for its basis. The examples used are of a few prophets (Nehemiah 1:6,7 and Daniel 9:4,5, e.g.) who interceded for the people and confessed the sins. Yes, It is true that the Old Testament prophets were sometimes called to stand between the people and God. But in the New Testament believers go directly to God through Jesus Christ His Son to confess our own sins. Yet, we can see that The Old Testament teaches that the people needed to repent of their own sins. Despite having the priesthood confess sins which was actually for the Nation of Israel!
Ezekiel 18 shows us that people are not involved in the sins and fate of their ancestors. This chapter teaches personal responsibility by illustrating three generations, a righteous father, a wicked son, and a righteous grandson. Vs 20 The chapter declares that God's forgiveness is available to the repentant sinner, but that those who continue in sin will die in their sins. The chapter concludes with a plea for repentance (verses 30-32).
The church is not Israel. The truth brings division. We need to look to the Word of God so we are not opposing the Word of God thinking these things are good and right, but they are not in line with the Scriptures. We need to see if these things are joining with the false religious system where we are told to be separate. We must individually come to the Lord for our own sins, you cannot repent for your grandma, children and can pray for them but making sure it is the same belief we have with the people we are praying with).
Then, Father Frank Pavone prayed. He is a Catholic priest and the National Director of Priests for Life, the largest pro-life ministry in the Catholic Church. He is also the President of the National Pro-life Religious Council, and the National Pastoral Director of the Silent No More Awareness Campaign. http://religionnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/webRNS-RISE-UP02-20171009.jpg (Again, we would say, as we have said on so many of these discussions and in articles, true believers will not join with those of other faiths in spiritual endeavors, even when trying to right an injustice. These gatherings included a great deal of worship and prayer and became ecumenical events with even the inclusion of one priest. And, I don’t know how many realize the numbers of Christians who have been killed by Catholics over the centuries, but I have read figures of between 50-150 million (http://macquirelatory.com/pdf%202/roman_catholic_church_the_murderer.pdf). It seems rather ironic for any believers to want to join with the Catholic church to fight against the horrors of abortion considering the Catholic church’s history of torture and persecution and killing).
And, then, Ronnie Floyd, a past president of the Southern Baptist Convention, and the current president of the National Day of Prayer, appeared in a video addressing the crowd. He said he had spoken to the 1.4 million men who had gathered for the Promise Keepers event 20 years ago. Again, the founder of Promise Keepers was Catholic, so that movement was ecumenical from the very beginning. So, knowing that Ronnie Floyd spoke there I am not surprised he spoke at the IHOP conference in 2015 where the worship was led by Catholic artists, Matt Maher and Audrey Assad. Floyd made this telling statement there: "I’m not here tonight to highlight our theological differences, but to bend my knee next to yours and to ask God to have mercy on America." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RB9YDQuTyM) He also appeared at the extremely ecumenical Together 2016 event (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtTdflF2QLU). He went on to say on the video that we must come together like never before to pray for America. “Let’s declare together oh, God, grant us revival in the church and the next great spiritual awakening in America.”
I was not able to watch as much of the morning gathering as I did of the afternoon one, but one more person onstage I thought was important to mention was Raleigh Washington. He is the current president of Promise Keepers. He began his time onstage by telling the women many of them carried baggage and that he was there to stand in the gap for all harm perpetrated against women. He asked any men there to kneel and said they will represent the men who wounded and abandoned the women. He was repenting for men and said the women needed to forgive and release the pain and hurt and suffering. A few minutes later Cindy Jacobs said, “We declare the healing of the female heart. I command the spirit of intimidation, grief, anger, sorrow, to leave you now! Be released!” And, then the worship leader, followed by the crowd began repeating, “Let it go” over and over. (Well, as you already said, sister Tammy, we cannot repent for the sins of others. Should we forgive whether someone has actually repented? Yes, we should. But, the main thing is we go to Jesus for healing because He is the only One Who can heal our hearts. We cannot be healed by someone standing in the gap for someone who has hurt us. You know, hearing words such as I’m sorry, I repent from someone may make us feel a little better, but these words ultimately have no power to heal our hearts. As I said, only Jesus can do so. Ps. 147:3 says, “He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds.” So, much of this, however, well-meaning is a lot of man-centered activity. This is some of the “doing” of religion that tends to make us feel better temporarily, but does not provide a permanent solution).
Now, I want to give some information concerning the afternoon session (https://www.facebook.com/thecall/videos/10155956083483578/):
Close to the beginning Lou Engle proclaimed a 3rd Great Awakening and extolled the crowd to join in agreement; and prayed, “Send forth Your Word and heal America.” (Well, as I already alluded to, and as I mentioned in the last discussion, anyone who believes there will be a great end time revival or a great awakening obviously doesn’t know that according to several scriptures in the Bible, the Church in the last days will consist of many deceptions, false teachings, false Christians and false teachers. You know, people can proclaim one is here, or one is coming all they want, but if the opposite is prophesied in God’s Word, we will not see a revival or awakening. It’s as simple as that!)
Cindy Jacobs stated, “God is doing something new in this nation.”
An unidentified woman is singing the words to 2 Chron. 7:14, adding, “We are calling on You, Jesus. We know You’re going to move in our land.” (There is much that can be said about this verse, but if we study it in context, we see the promise of 2 Chronicles 7:14 is based on the covenant between God and Israel; it is not based on God and any other nation or people. While the USA, and a few other nations, have had a Christian influence, Israel is the only nation that can be designated as God’s people. Christians are indeed God’s people, but not as a nation. Christians do not have a land that needs to be healed. Our citizenship is in heaven (Phil. 3:20) and we are ambassadors on earth (2 Cor. 5:20).
Then, the same Catholic priest from the morning session spoke about abortion. (As we’ve already alluded to we cannot join with those of other faiths to end injustices. You are joining with one evil to fight another evil).
An unidentified woman says those who’ve had abortions need to forgive themselves. (Sister Tammy’s comments about forgiving ourselves: Forgiving yourself is unbiblical – We again repent and believe and receive Jesus forgiveness, sinful man cannot forgive sinful man. Healing comes through Jesus and accepting sin is the heart issue. We of course are to forgive one another as we have been forgiven but through the sacrifice Jesus has done in the power of the Holy Spirit. A lot of people like to wallow in self-pity and in sin and instead of going to the Lord and receiving His forgiveness because knowing how much we have been forgiven).
Then, those on stage and in the crowd stood for 5 minutes with a piece of tape on their mouths that said “Life.” Someone stated this wasn’t a protest, but an appeal for abortion to end.
Someone else stated, “We’re going to say a 22-word prayer and we’re saying it seven times. This was the prayer: “Jesus, I plead Your Blood over my sins and the sins of my nation. God end abortion and send revival to America.” Well, this prayer is not unique to this event, but rather is part of the Bound 4 Life movement’s plan to end abortion. Bound 4 Life was started in 2004 by Lou Engle and close to 500,000 “life bands” have been distributed since then. Those wearing these life bands have made a commitment to pray the above prayer daily; to vote for pro-life candidates, and obey God as He leads them into works of compassion and justice (https://bound4life.com/the-life-band/). (While we do not doubt the sincerity of anyone wanting to see abortion come to an end, abortion is just another sign we are in the last days. 2 Tim. 3:1 says, “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.” Verse 2: “For men shall be lovers of their own selves,” and verse 4 “lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.” These phrases would certainly fit a good number of those who think abortion is the solution to the problem of an unwanted child. And, here’s the thing about ending abortion by any other means than the gospel being preached and people getting saved – it means that physical lives are saved, but these people are still on the road to hell).
Then, Lou Engle stated the following: “We’re in a moment of history right now. God gave us a dream to believe for five judges.” (He is, of course, speaking of the Supreme Court. We know that during the election season much was made of making sure Pres. Trump was elected so conservatives would be appointed to the Court. And, most listeners probably remember that Neil Gorsuch was the first conservative Supreme Court justice to be installed under Pres. Trump’s administration. What some may not know, or remember, are his statements at his confirmation hearings. Here are some of the exchanges): “Can you tell me whether Roe was decided correctly?” Sen. Grassley asked. “Senator, I would tell you that Roe versus Wade, decided in 1973, is the precedent of the United States Supreme Court. It has been reaffirmed,” Gorsuch replied emphatically. “It was reaffirmed in Casey in 1992, and in several other cases,” he repeated. “So a good judge will consider it as precedent of the United States Supreme Court, worthy as treatment of precedent like any other.” When asked by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., to expound on his views regarding precedent, he explained that “once a case is settled, that adds to the determinacy of the law.” “What was once a hotly contested issue is no longer a hotly contested issue. We move forward,” Gorsuch said. Feinstein then inquired if he considers Roe v. Wade to be “super-precedent,” meaning that it is so ingrained into the legal system that it would be significantly difficult to overturn. “It has been reaffirmed 44 times.” (http://christiannews.net/2017/03/23/u-s-supreme-court-nominee-neil-gorsuch-a-fetus-is-not-a-person/) (Now, this doesn’t sound like someone eager to overturn Roe v. Wade, does it?)
Then Cindy Jacobs stated: “We declare a shift in the Senate to a pro-life position. Father, we ask in Jesus’ Name You to completely change what needs to be changed in the Senate.” Then someone spoke who has written a legal petition to the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade. At this point they asked everyone in the crowd to take out their phones and go to the site, themoral outcry.com, and to sign the petition. Then, they were asked to hold their phones up high to show they had done such. (Again, of course, abortion is a horrible thing, but I don’t think people realize how they are being conditioned to act a certain way in large crowd settings. People were asked to sign something they hadn’t read and then told to hold their phones up signifying completion of this act. And, maybe there was nothing wrong with the petition, but people should beware of such tactics). (Sister Tammy’s comments: This reminds me of how people will accept the mark of the beast thinking that it is something good, where you need to have to take this to buy or sell, etc. People giving themselves over to something there is no repentance for. Conditioning people to accept this. We must check everything out).
The next few minutes were spent talking about adoption. Someone said church members must adopt the babies that don’t get aborted and then stated: “I release the spirit of adoption over this mall.” Then, a video was shown of Brian and Jenn Johnson discussing the fact they had adopted a baby. Brian & Jenn Johnson are co-founders of Bethel Music and have been integral in the production of over fifteen albums that have influenced the culture of worship across the global church according to Bethelmusic. com (https://bethelmusic.com/artists/Jenn-Johnson/). (And, it is quite true that millions have been influenced by the music coming from Bethel church. What people need to remember is that, sadly, this church teaches aberrant theology including WOF, the prosperity gospel, signs and wonders, gnostic mysticism, and so on (http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=20820).
The children’s ministry at Bethel encourages very young children to seek out and speak to angels. (In the Facebook notes to this discussion I will include a video by Seth Dahl, the children’s minister for Bethel, in which he asks a young child where the angels are in the room. So, while we would normally be glad to see an adoption occur, our hearts break to think of a child being raised in such false teachings) (https://www.facebook.com/DahlMinistries/videos/544653065682187/?pnref=story at the :56 mark).
Next, someone declared they were going into a commissioning time because everyone wasn’t called to ministry, but all are called to bring Jesus into politics, education, media, families, into every seven mountains of society. A few minutes later someone decreed a rising up across the land in colleges and universities and a generation to be a voice in every sphere. (Well, as we explained in the last discussion this is the Seven Mountain Mandate of Dominion Theology. This was introduced by Bill Bright of Campus Crusades for Christ and Loren Cunningham of YWAM and there is nothing biblical about this teaching. We are never told to Christianize this world’s system, but rather to preach the gospel so people can be snatched out of it).
Someone told the crowd to “roar to break the spirit of intimidation” and then said “roar for your destiny.” (And, we just shake our heads at how ridiculous some of these things are. This is all man-centered activity and, sadly, completely pointless).
One more part of these sessions I wanted to mention was discussed at Christian post. com and I want to share the information from that site (http://www.christianpost.com/news/thousands-of-christians-take-a-knee-on-national-mall-to-repent-for-racial-injustice-202234/):
“Cindy Jacobs, a white Christian ministry leader who founded the prayer ministry Generals International, apologized directly to a group of African-American mothers and grandmothers for the "culture of fear" that has been created in the nation.
"I talk to so many African-American mothers and grandmothers who say, 'I am afraid to send my baby out.' I am so sorry that you are afraid that if your sons drive a car, they are going to be shot. I am so sorry. We can't gloss over it! We can't gloss over it! It's sin and causing lots of pain!" Jacobs cried into the microphone. "I am sorry that we have made your sons and daughters fear for our police, many of them are so good, there is a fear. I'm so sorry for the injustice. I'm so sorry.
"We are so sorry. This is wrong. Lord, we don't know how to fix it. We don't know how to fix it," Jacobs distraughtly cried. "Father, forgive us for hatred. Forgive us for murder. Forgive us God! Help us to love the way you love Jesus. Give us more love."
Alveda King then told Cindy Jacobs that she is forgiven, saying that she must forgive the sins of racism so that she receives forgiveness from God.” (Not to dismiss the racial problems in this nation in any way, but as we have stated many times over the course of doing these discussions, the root of all these problems is sin. Man does not have the solution. And, sister Tammy, as you already explained so well, this identificational repentance belief just isn’t Biblical).
Well, that is all I have for this time. We just hope people can see the problems with these events and recognize the ecumenical/dominionist agenda they promote.
READING TIME: 25 MINUTES
The following are the notes to the discussion found at this link (https://www.facebook.com/tammy.cheetham.77/videos/307018853131163/?id=100014819433180) for anyone who would like to study the subject more in depth.
As we stated in the last discussion, we needed to discuss The Call/Rise Up women’s event separately from the rest of the Awaken the Dawn event even though they were both under the same umbrella since there was so much information. Now, we will hear some of the same false teaching from both so I may reference the first discussion some today just to let the listener know. Also, in watching most of the two sessions on Oct. 9 there were many people making decrees and declarations onstage and their names were never given and these were not recognizable members of either the prophetic or NAR groups. So, if I just say someone said, that is why. And, just to mention also, the Call movement is headed by Lou Engle. And, as we said last time, he is quite ecumenical and also a major promoter of Dominion Theology.
I wanted to read the information from the website for the event first of all (http://www.thecall.com/riseup/) :
“Hope is rising in America. We can and will turn back to God. (Well, as I mentioned last discussion this group of people, and others, are trying to speak a revival into existence; to actually impose revival on people and on the nation, but a great end time revival is not prophesied. There are many scriptures about perilous times, evil men waxing worse and worse).
Then, "This may be the most decisive moment in the history of America as a last stand against unrighteousness. Can a nation be saved in a day? Yes, when women pray! In the 1960s-70s, a million mothers cried out to God for their lost children, and mass salvation broke out. Once again, women must birth a sweeping new Jesus Movement, rising up in the nation as great evangelists and spiritual mothers to turn us back to God." (Well, a lot could be said at this point and we just don’t have time to unpack it all, but I want to focus on the ‘can a nation be saved in a day’ question. Just the other day I read an article in which the question was asked whether a city could be saved in a day. The article (http://elijahlist.com/words/display_word.html?ID=19079) was by Todd Bentley and he referenced Revelation 11:15 which says, "The kingdoms of this world HAVE become the Kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!" And, then Todd Bentley said, “We must have Faith that whole cities and nations can be saved in a day. The Kingdoms of this world are His.” Well, those in the NAR emphasizing “the kingdoms of this world HAVE become…” and the “Kingdoms of this world ARE His” as if these verses apply now rather than to Christ’s second coming have a different view of end time events to say the least. There is a lot of talk about saving and transforming nations by those in the NAR such as Lou Engle and Todd Bentley, but if this “Christianizing” of nations will be accomplished before Christ returns, how come Rev. 19:15 says, “And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God”? If they’ve become “Christianized” why would Jesus smite them? So, we see this false tenet of Dominion Theology falls flat in the face of scripture).
Continuing with the website for Rise Up, it says - In 1997, Men Stood in the Gap. In 2017, Women Rise Up. In 1997, a million men fought for their families on the National Mall during Promise Keepers' massive Stand in the Gap event. On the 20th Anniversary of that gathering, mothers from across America will join together to proclaim hope and healing for our nation. On October 9, 2017 women will bend heaven's ear with a sacrifice of love, high praise and prevailing prayer. (Well, Promise Keepers, as we learned in the last discussion was started by a Catholic, so the entire movement was ecumenical from the start. And, with someone as ecumenical as Lou Engle at the helm of The Call events, a true believer will have nothing to do with these gatherings).
Then we read: “We invite mothers and daughters of America, present and future, to rise together — Esthers and Deborahs; devout women of every age, race and denomination; single women, mothers of children, spiritual mothers. Will you give voice both to the pain and hope of our deeply divided nation? Can you release fresh intercession and the Word of Life for a lost generation?” (Well, the Word of Life for any generation has always been and will continue to be the gospel of salvation. Whether this nation is divided or not, the gospel needs to go forth. Uniting our nation should not be the focus for any true believer, but rather seeing souls saved).
Continuing, “The fabric of the virtuous woman in America is comprised of many colors and strands: Protestant and Catholic, Evangelical and Pentecostal; Asian, Hispanic, Anglo, African and Native; Democrat, Republican and Independent. It is time to make your presence known, your voice heard—united in love and justice in Christ. (People have slowly been conditioned for several decades now to accept Catholicism as Christian so whenever someone just slips in the phrase “Protestant and Catholic” no one bats an eye. And, it just becomes more and more obvious that Lou Engle is completely ecumenical and that this is a major focus of his ministry. We will just say straight out that Catholicism is a false, pagan, religious system based on the traditions of men; the NAR and WOF movements preach another Jesus and another gospel. Again, true believers will remain separate from any such gatherings as The Call, Rise Up).
Just a bit more from the website’s promotion of this event: “This is more than an invitation, it is a summons, a divine subpoena to bring the unique witness and moral authority of Eve to bear on the clamor and deceptions at the governmental heart of our nation. Some moments come and go, while others shape history and must not be missed. You can take your daughter to work, or you can teach her how to save a nation in a day. Could hundreds of thousands of women pray and proclaim that America shall be saved, shall choose life, and shall see her children walking with God? On October 9, 2017, can a nation be saved in a day? Our answer: Yes, when the women Rise Up. (Well, I have to admit to being totally confused about this reference to Eve’s moral authority since she was deceived. Then we see another reference to saving a nation in a day. And, then the obvious WOF talk with the idea that people could actually proclaim America shall be saved, and so forth. We know that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God, not by proclamation).
Now, I would like to discuss some short promotional videos made by some of the women attending and speaking at the event (http://www.thecall.com/riseup/) -
The first one is by Cindy Jacobs, who has a ministry called Generals International, and is one of the leaders in the NAR: She said,“I believe the collective cry of a million mothers around the world is going to birth a movement that is greater than anything we have ever seen. Beginning on October 9, we will rise up.”
(Well, Cindy Jacobs is a false prophet. She should have been completed discredited by these two false prophecies she gave in the late 90’s): In a women's conference in California in 1996 called "Women of the Word" she prophesied that the divorce rate for Christians would be cut in half within one year. (http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/narfalseprophecies.html) But, according to divorce reform. org the divorce rate did not decline at all from 1996 to 1997.
Jacobs also gave the following prophecy on Oct. 30, 1998: “I will use Zimbabwe like a jewel; she will help feed the world with beautiful produce. God will break the curse that came through civil war . . . the curse will be broken.” (https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/11/03/cindy-jacobs-two-truly-false-prophecies-for-zimbabwe-and-africa/) However, the following is from an article dated August 6, 2007: “Official inflation is given at 4,500 percent, the highest in the world, though independent estimates put it closer to 9,000 percent.” Additionally, the unemployment rate had crested beyond 80%! (http://www.zimbabwesituation.com/old/aug7_2007.html) (So, the situation was actually the opposite of what she predicted! And, she has made many other false prophecies which we don’t have time to discuss. But, what it really comes down to is we need to stop giving these false prophets second chances. You know, some of the same people who predicted all kinds of things concerning the blood moons in 2015 were just recently predicting all kinds of things concerning the eclipse in August and the same for September 23. People need to stop buying the books and watching the videos and these charlatans will go out of business).
The next one is Alveda King who is an activist and author, along with being a niece of Martin Luther King, Jr. She promotes non-violent conflict resolution as evidenced in an article entitled, “Are You Ready to Slay the Skin-Color Dragon?” One of her six points in this article was: “Prayerfully apply non-violent direct action, such as prayer vigils, marches, boycotts, mass demonstrations, picketing, sit-ins etc., to help persuade or compel an adversary to work toward dispute-resolution.” (http://elijahlist.com/words/display_word.html?ID=18574)
She stated the following in her video: “One Sunday morning, God woke me up, the spirit of the living God, and said read the book of Esther…There was a line that captured me and it basically says ‘don’t think if you ignore this call that God won’t raise up someone else.’ It is time for women and girls to wake up, not be sleeping, at this time. Things are so critical. We have to overcome evil with good. Yes, evil is out there. But, if we say let somebody else do it, we really would be where Esther would have been if she had looked the other way. You have to do something for such a time as this.” (Well, as we have mentioned many times before, the only thing we have been commissioned to do is preach the gospel and make disciples. But, these dominionists have this grandiose idea that they will change the culture here and now by engaging in prayer vigils, marches, and so forth, which is completely impossible because the root of all the problems is sin and man has no solution for that in and of himself).
And, the last promotional video I want to mention was made by Stacey Campbell. She said: “I want to call women from all over the world to show up on Oct. 9 because abortion is not an American issue. It is an international issue for mothers all over the world and if you care about the next generation, come pray with us and see that God ends this scourge in our lifetime.” (Well, we did a discussion about Stacey Campbell and I will include the link in the notes on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/tammy.cheetham.77/videos/259130541253328/). She “prophesied” to Pope Francis he would become pope when he was still a cardinal. Additionally, she traveled with several other NAR leaders to visit the Vatican in June of 2016).
Now, we want to discuss the actual sessions at this event, beginning with the morning one (https://www.facebook.com/thecall/videos/10155915419533578/?q=the%20call%20rise%20up). And, just to note, there were no reports I could find of how many people actually attended this event, but the video of the morning session had 672,000 views so many were influenced by it.
About 20 minutes into this gathering a group of Native American women were on stage. A couple of them made declarations about being Esthers and Deborahs; one said let the birthing begin; one said thank you to the Lord for the breaker anointing; one said God has proclaimed in the stars you are wonder women; one prayed that the sons and daughters would be healed and walk in forgiveness.
Then, Cindy Jacobs had the women gather close to her and began speaking about what this day means for Native Americans, since it was Columbus Day. She kneeled down before them and said, “Forgive us for ignoring your pain…We’re so sorry, we’re so sorry. Can we let the healing begin? Can you forgive? We’re sorry for not caring to know what happened in history and for rewriting history.” Two of the women kneeled down and held hands and hugged Cindy Jacobs. Another woman took the mike and say, “We release this healing over the land. A spirit of repentance come upon the land.” Another lady spoke and said, “We forgive you!...Lord let us heal and become one. You said we can run through a troop and jump over a wall. We are jumping over the walls between races, between denominations, between beliefs of religions, Lord I ask You to eradicate the religious spirit from North America, break down the walls of division.
Then a few minutes later Lou Engle mentioned all those affected by the hurricanes. He said, “Can we stand in the rain all day today while they’re suffering? We are identificational intercessors today. We can stand with power because we refuse to be moved by the storms.”
(Sister Tammy’s comments about identificational repentance: The Bible is clear that men must repent for their own sins. "Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." We must notice that 'every one' must repent for his own sins. We know even from the Old Testament because a lot of these fighting for unity, dominionists refer back to the Old Testament to fit their theology and the Word is the same all the way through.
"Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin." The father cannot repent for the sins of the son. Forgiveness is always a personal action, commanded by God, necessary for right fellowship and we must repent of our own sins (Matt 6:14; Luke 6:37; 2 Cor.2:7). It's always between individual people not cities or nations.
With "Identificational Repentance" the proponents must hearken back to the Old Testament for its basis. The examples used are of a few prophets (Nehemiah 1:6,7 and Daniel 9:4,5, e.g.) who interceded for the people and confessed the sins. Yes, It is true that the Old Testament prophets were sometimes called to stand between the people and God. But in the New Testament believers go directly to God through Jesus Christ His Son to confess our own sins. Yet, we can see that The Old Testament teaches that the people needed to repent of their own sins. Despite having the priesthood confess sins which was actually for the Nation of Israel!
Ezekiel 18 shows us that people are not involved in the sins and fate of their ancestors. This chapter teaches personal responsibility by illustrating three generations, a righteous father, a wicked son, and a righteous grandson. Vs 20 The chapter declares that God's forgiveness is available to the repentant sinner, but that those who continue in sin will die in their sins. The chapter concludes with a plea for repentance (verses 30-32).
The church is not Israel. The truth brings division. We need to look to the Word of God so we are not opposing the Word of God thinking these things are good and right, but they are not in line with the Scriptures. We need to see if these things are joining with the false religious system where we are told to be separate. We must individually come to the Lord for our own sins, you cannot repent for your grandma, children and can pray for them but making sure it is the same belief we have with the people we are praying with).
Then, Father Frank Pavone prayed. He is a Catholic priest and the National Director of Priests for Life, the largest pro-life ministry in the Catholic Church. He is also the President of the National Pro-life Religious Council, and the National Pastoral Director of the Silent No More Awareness Campaign. http://religionnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/webRNS-RISE-UP02-20171009.jpg (Again, we would say, as we have said on so many of these discussions and in articles, true believers will not join with those of other faiths in spiritual endeavors, even when trying to right an injustice. These gatherings included a great deal of worship and prayer and became ecumenical events with even the inclusion of one priest. And, I don’t know how many realize the numbers of Christians who have been killed by Catholics over the centuries, but I have read figures of between 50-150 million (http://macquirelatory.com/pdf%202/roman_catholic_church_the_murderer.pdf). It seems rather ironic for any believers to want to join with the Catholic church to fight against the horrors of abortion considering the Catholic church’s history of torture and persecution and killing).
And, then, Ronnie Floyd, a past president of the Southern Baptist Convention, and the current president of the National Day of Prayer, appeared in a video addressing the crowd. He said he had spoken to the 1.4 million men who had gathered for the Promise Keepers event 20 years ago. Again, the founder of Promise Keepers was Catholic, so that movement was ecumenical from the very beginning. So, knowing that Ronnie Floyd spoke there I am not surprised he spoke at the IHOP conference in 2015 where the worship was led by Catholic artists, Matt Maher and Audrey Assad. Floyd made this telling statement there: "I’m not here tonight to highlight our theological differences, but to bend my knee next to yours and to ask God to have mercy on America." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RB9YDQuTyM) He also appeared at the extremely ecumenical Together 2016 event (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtTdflF2QLU). He went on to say on the video that we must come together like never before to pray for America. “Let’s declare together oh, God, grant us revival in the church and the next great spiritual awakening in America.”
I was not able to watch as much of the morning gathering as I did of the afternoon one, but one more person onstage I thought was important to mention was Raleigh Washington. He is the current president of Promise Keepers. He began his time onstage by telling the women many of them carried baggage and that he was there to stand in the gap for all harm perpetrated against women. He asked any men there to kneel and said they will represent the men who wounded and abandoned the women. He was repenting for men and said the women needed to forgive and release the pain and hurt and suffering. A few minutes later Cindy Jacobs said, “We declare the healing of the female heart. I command the spirit of intimidation, grief, anger, sorrow, to leave you now! Be released!” And, then the worship leader, followed by the crowd began repeating, “Let it go” over and over. (Well, as you already said, sister Tammy, we cannot repent for the sins of others. Should we forgive whether someone has actually repented? Yes, we should. But, the main thing is we go to Jesus for healing because He is the only One Who can heal our hearts. We cannot be healed by someone standing in the gap for someone who has hurt us. You know, hearing words such as I’m sorry, I repent from someone may make us feel a little better, but these words ultimately have no power to heal our hearts. As I said, only Jesus can do so. Ps. 147:3 says, “He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds.” So, much of this, however, well-meaning is a lot of man-centered activity. This is some of the “doing” of religion that tends to make us feel better temporarily, but does not provide a permanent solution).
Now, I want to give some information concerning the afternoon session (https://www.facebook.com/thecall/videos/10155956083483578/):
Close to the beginning Lou Engle proclaimed a 3rd Great Awakening and extolled the crowd to join in agreement; and prayed, “Send forth Your Word and heal America.” (Well, as I already alluded to, and as I mentioned in the last discussion, anyone who believes there will be a great end time revival or a great awakening obviously doesn’t know that according to several scriptures in the Bible, the Church in the last days will consist of many deceptions, false teachings, false Christians and false teachers. You know, people can proclaim one is here, or one is coming all they want, but if the opposite is prophesied in God’s Word, we will not see a revival or awakening. It’s as simple as that!)
Cindy Jacobs stated, “God is doing something new in this nation.”
An unidentified woman is singing the words to 2 Chron. 7:14, adding, “We are calling on You, Jesus. We know You’re going to move in our land.” (There is much that can be said about this verse, but if we study it in context, we see the promise of 2 Chronicles 7:14 is based on the covenant between God and Israel; it is not based on God and any other nation or people. While the USA, and a few other nations, have had a Christian influence, Israel is the only nation that can be designated as God’s people. Christians are indeed God’s people, but not as a nation. Christians do not have a land that needs to be healed. Our citizenship is in heaven (Phil. 3:20) and we are ambassadors on earth (2 Cor. 5:20).
Then, the same Catholic priest from the morning session spoke about abortion. (As we’ve already alluded to we cannot join with those of other faiths to end injustices. You are joining with one evil to fight another evil).
An unidentified woman says those who’ve had abortions need to forgive themselves. (Sister Tammy’s comments about forgiving ourselves: Forgiving yourself is unbiblical – We again repent and believe and receive Jesus forgiveness, sinful man cannot forgive sinful man. Healing comes through Jesus and accepting sin is the heart issue. We of course are to forgive one another as we have been forgiven but through the sacrifice Jesus has done in the power of the Holy Spirit. A lot of people like to wallow in self-pity and in sin and instead of going to the Lord and receiving His forgiveness because knowing how much we have been forgiven).
Then, those on stage and in the crowd stood for 5 minutes with a piece of tape on their mouths that said “Life.” Someone stated this wasn’t a protest, but an appeal for abortion to end.
Someone else stated, “We’re going to say a 22-word prayer and we’re saying it seven times. This was the prayer: “Jesus, I plead Your Blood over my sins and the sins of my nation. God end abortion and send revival to America.” Well, this prayer is not unique to this event, but rather is part of the Bound 4 Life movement’s plan to end abortion. Bound 4 Life was started in 2004 by Lou Engle and close to 500,000 “life bands” have been distributed since then. Those wearing these life bands have made a commitment to pray the above prayer daily; to vote for pro-life candidates, and obey God as He leads them into works of compassion and justice (https://bound4life.com/the-life-band/). (While we do not doubt the sincerity of anyone wanting to see abortion come to an end, abortion is just another sign we are in the last days. 2 Tim. 3:1 says, “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.” Verse 2: “For men shall be lovers of their own selves,” and verse 4 “lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.” These phrases would certainly fit a good number of those who think abortion is the solution to the problem of an unwanted child. And, here’s the thing about ending abortion by any other means than the gospel being preached and people getting saved – it means that physical lives are saved, but these people are still on the road to hell).
Then, Lou Engle stated the following: “We’re in a moment of history right now. God gave us a dream to believe for five judges.” (He is, of course, speaking of the Supreme Court. We know that during the election season much was made of making sure Pres. Trump was elected so conservatives would be appointed to the Court. And, most listeners probably remember that Neil Gorsuch was the first conservative Supreme Court justice to be installed under Pres. Trump’s administration. What some may not know, or remember, are his statements at his confirmation hearings. Here are some of the exchanges): “Can you tell me whether Roe was decided correctly?” Sen. Grassley asked. “Senator, I would tell you that Roe versus Wade, decided in 1973, is the precedent of the United States Supreme Court. It has been reaffirmed,” Gorsuch replied emphatically. “It was reaffirmed in Casey in 1992, and in several other cases,” he repeated. “So a good judge will consider it as precedent of the United States Supreme Court, worthy as treatment of precedent like any other.” When asked by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., to expound on his views regarding precedent, he explained that “once a case is settled, that adds to the determinacy of the law.” “What was once a hotly contested issue is no longer a hotly contested issue. We move forward,” Gorsuch said. Feinstein then inquired if he considers Roe v. Wade to be “super-precedent,” meaning that it is so ingrained into the legal system that it would be significantly difficult to overturn. “It has been reaffirmed 44 times.” (http://christiannews.net/2017/03/23/u-s-supreme-court-nominee-neil-gorsuch-a-fetus-is-not-a-person/) (Now, this doesn’t sound like someone eager to overturn Roe v. Wade, does it?)
Then Cindy Jacobs stated: “We declare a shift in the Senate to a pro-life position. Father, we ask in Jesus’ Name You to completely change what needs to be changed in the Senate.” Then someone spoke who has written a legal petition to the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade. At this point they asked everyone in the crowd to take out their phones and go to the site, themoral outcry.com, and to sign the petition. Then, they were asked to hold their phones up high to show they had done such. (Again, of course, abortion is a horrible thing, but I don’t think people realize how they are being conditioned to act a certain way in large crowd settings. People were asked to sign something they hadn’t read and then told to hold their phones up signifying completion of this act. And, maybe there was nothing wrong with the petition, but people should beware of such tactics). (Sister Tammy’s comments: This reminds me of how people will accept the mark of the beast thinking that it is something good, where you need to have to take this to buy or sell, etc. People giving themselves over to something there is no repentance for. Conditioning people to accept this. We must check everything out).
The next few minutes were spent talking about adoption. Someone said church members must adopt the babies that don’t get aborted and then stated: “I release the spirit of adoption over this mall.” Then, a video was shown of Brian and Jenn Johnson discussing the fact they had adopted a baby. Brian & Jenn Johnson are co-founders of Bethel Music and have been integral in the production of over fifteen albums that have influenced the culture of worship across the global church according to Bethelmusic. com (https://bethelmusic.com/artists/Jenn-Johnson/). (And, it is quite true that millions have been influenced by the music coming from Bethel church. What people need to remember is that, sadly, this church teaches aberrant theology including WOF, the prosperity gospel, signs and wonders, gnostic mysticism, and so on (http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=20820).
The children’s ministry at Bethel encourages very young children to seek out and speak to angels. (In the Facebook notes to this discussion I will include a video by Seth Dahl, the children’s minister for Bethel, in which he asks a young child where the angels are in the room. So, while we would normally be glad to see an adoption occur, our hearts break to think of a child being raised in such false teachings) (https://www.facebook.com/DahlMinistries/videos/544653065682187/?pnref=story at the :56 mark).
Next, someone declared they were going into a commissioning time because everyone wasn’t called to ministry, but all are called to bring Jesus into politics, education, media, families, into every seven mountains of society. A few minutes later someone decreed a rising up across the land in colleges and universities and a generation to be a voice in every sphere. (Well, as we explained in the last discussion this is the Seven Mountain Mandate of Dominion Theology. This was introduced by Bill Bright of Campus Crusades for Christ and Loren Cunningham of YWAM and there is nothing biblical about this teaching. We are never told to Christianize this world’s system, but rather to preach the gospel so people can be snatched out of it).
Someone told the crowd to “roar to break the spirit of intimidation” and then said “roar for your destiny.” (And, we just shake our heads at how ridiculous some of these things are. This is all man-centered activity and, sadly, completely pointless).
One more part of these sessions I wanted to mention was discussed at Christian post. com and I want to share the information from that site (http://www.christianpost.com/news/thousands-of-christians-take-a-knee-on-national-mall-to-repent-for-racial-injustice-202234/):
“Cindy Jacobs, a white Christian ministry leader who founded the prayer ministry Generals International, apologized directly to a group of African-American mothers and grandmothers for the "culture of fear" that has been created in the nation.
"I talk to so many African-American mothers and grandmothers who say, 'I am afraid to send my baby out.' I am so sorry that you are afraid that if your sons drive a car, they are going to be shot. I am so sorry. We can't gloss over it! We can't gloss over it! It's sin and causing lots of pain!" Jacobs cried into the microphone. "I am sorry that we have made your sons and daughters fear for our police, many of them are so good, there is a fear. I'm so sorry for the injustice. I'm so sorry.
"We are so sorry. This is wrong. Lord, we don't know how to fix it. We don't know how to fix it," Jacobs distraughtly cried. "Father, forgive us for hatred. Forgive us for murder. Forgive us God! Help us to love the way you love Jesus. Give us more love."
Alveda King then told Cindy Jacobs that she is forgiven, saying that she must forgive the sins of racism so that she receives forgiveness from God.” (Not to dismiss the racial problems in this nation in any way, but as we have stated many times over the course of doing these discussions, the root of all these problems is sin. Man does not have the solution. And, sister Tammy, as you already explained so well, this identificational repentance belief just isn’t Biblical).
Well, that is all I have for this time. We just hope people can see the problems with these events and recognize the ecumenical/dominionist agenda they promote.